The eluding definition of God
In the previous post I had shared my opinions on futility of assigning attibutes to the phenomenon that we call God. However it is extremely unclear what this phenomenon is. I would like to share another negative feature, that the experience of God cannot be shared!
We all take pride in our abilities to reason, to argue out arguments, theorems lemmas and even the right to walk in the middle of the road. But arguments need to rest on a fundamental bedrock, which is usually the definition of the problem agreed upon by the arguing parties, if they are clever enough. Which is sadly not the case in many arguments. There must be always a certain amount of belief to even start an argument.
Consider the case of a formal proof, we would require a certain set of axioms/conditions that are necessary for the proof to be valid. These axiom sets are indeed different for different theorems, however we cannot do away without them. So axioms are a fundamental and basic necisity of any formal proof.
In case of passing knowledge to another person, we invariably need to believe in the meaning of words and usages and the fact that that the other person is able to understand what we intend to say at some level.
We can thus conclude that an axiom/belief is required to reason and a shared belief is required for communication.
The edifice of modern science is built upon these very foundations reasoning and repeatability of experiements. We thus have to believe that axioms are the essence of our understanding of the physical word, the rest is just built upon it. As Godel showed, we cannot have a complex enough system to completely explain the natural numbers and yet be without contraditions.
Therefore the we may define the phenomenon of God as a collections of axioms or beliefs. These sets differ for different people and different situations, thus God is indeed not one.
The non-commuicabilty of this particular phenomenon is what gives rise to the personal God, for the God is the sum-total of all your beliefs. Every person has their own beliefs, which many are shaped by unique experiences some shared. Only the shared part which I believe is small is capable of being communicated. The rest shall remain in you and die with you.
So the concept cannot be argued upon since we have agreed upon no axioms! We cannot expect ourseleves to communicate these beliefs, making any argument on God, including this superfluous.
We all take pride in our abilities to reason, to argue out arguments, theorems lemmas and even the right to walk in the middle of the road. But arguments need to rest on a fundamental bedrock, which is usually the definition of the problem agreed upon by the arguing parties, if they are clever enough. Which is sadly not the case in many arguments. There must be always a certain amount of belief to even start an argument.
Consider the case of a formal proof, we would require a certain set of axioms/conditions that are necessary for the proof to be valid. These axiom sets are indeed different for different theorems, however we cannot do away without them. So axioms are a fundamental and basic necisity of any formal proof.
In case of passing knowledge to another person, we invariably need to believe in the meaning of words and usages and the fact that that the other person is able to understand what we intend to say at some level.
We can thus conclude that an axiom/belief is required to reason and a shared belief is required for communication.
The edifice of modern science is built upon these very foundations reasoning and repeatability of experiements. We thus have to believe that axioms are the essence of our understanding of the physical word, the rest is just built upon it. As Godel showed, we cannot have a complex enough system to completely explain the natural numbers and yet be without contraditions.
Therefore the we may define the phenomenon of God as a collections of axioms or beliefs. These sets differ for different people and different situations, thus God is indeed not one.
The non-commuicabilty of this particular phenomenon is what gives rise to the personal God, for the God is the sum-total of all your beliefs. Every person has their own beliefs, which many are shaped by unique experiences some shared. Only the shared part which I believe is small is capable of being communicated. The rest shall remain in you and die with you.
So the concept cannot be argued upon since we have agreed upon no axioms! We cannot expect ourseleves to communicate these beliefs, making any argument on God, including this superfluous.
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Jews
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Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.
In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
17. Council of Toledo 694: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]
Second Crusade: 1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90. [DO40]
Fulda/Germany 1235: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
1290 in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned. [DO41]
1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.
1492: In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492. [MM470-476]
1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain. [DO43]
(I feel sick ...) this goes on and on, century after century, right into the kilns of Auschwitz.
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All of us will die one day INCLUDING YOU.
so before you die you must find out where the HELL you are going too.
You must find out
who is our savior Jesus or ?
You may sleep tonight and never get up in the morning?
You may die today.
You may die within a week
You may die within a month
you may die within a year
you may die within the next ten years
one thing for sure
You will die
so find out how is our savior so that he may save you.
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